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questioning brennan. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> your colleague lindsey graham said in part to his comments to our own casey hunt we should be totally supportive of the president's actions. i also want to play what john bolton said regarding the obama counterterrorism effort. let me play it and get your reaction to both of those. >> the approach that the obama administration is following is consistent with and really derived from the bush administration approach to the war on terror and i think it's entirely sensible. >> do you agree with that? lindsey graham saying totally sensible. >> we are fighting a war that's much different than the classic and traditional wars that we have fought in the past. the result of that is the methods of fighting that war and the way that americans are involved in the war are different than what they have in the past. and so, we're really in a process today of a much maturing way of handling these, of looking at them. i think there's going to be a robust discu
questioning brennan. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> your colleague lindsey graham said in part to his comments to our own casey hunt we should be totally supportive of the president's actions. i also want to play what john bolton said regarding the obama counterterrorism effort. let me play it and get your reaction to both of those. >> the approach that the obama administration is following is consistent with and really derived from the bush administration approach...
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we may see on thursday how many of those questions john brennan will answer. but tonight, four days ahead of that hearing, nbc news, michael isikoff has obtained a document that is closer than we have ever gotten that supposedly justifies this, the memo that may show the justification for the american government killing american citizens. tonight we have exclusive reporting. joining us is national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. michael, thank you for being here. >> good to be with you, rachel. >> everybody has been looking for this memo. you have not the memo, but a white paper based on the memo. does it tell us anything that we did not know before about how the government justifies targeted killings of americans? >> yes. in short, it does. it provides detail. it fleshes out some of the arguments that have been made publicly, and in ways that in some instances contrast with what has been said publicly. now, to be fair, attorney general holder gave a speech last march where he laid out the administration case for targeted killing of americans. he
we may see on thursday how many of those questions john brennan will answer. but tonight, four days ahead of that hearing, nbc news, michael isikoff has obtained a document that is closer than we have ever gotten that supposedly justifies this, the memo that may show the justification for the american government killing american citizens. tonight we have exclusive reporting. joining us is national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. michael, thank you for being here. >> good to...
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brennan, is long gone. >> john brennan would not commit to additional disclosures, but he defended the legality of the program. >> the president has insisted that any actions we take will be legally grounded, will be thoroughly anchored in intelligence, will have the appropriate review process, approval process before any action is contemplated, including those actions that might involve the use of lethal force. >> to be fair, it sounds like the bush administration all over. democrats and republicans voiced their concerns, but it was independent senator from maine angus king who questioned the executive power of the president. >> having the executive being the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, and the executioner all in one is very contrary to the traditions and the laws of this country. >> unilateral execution power of the president is causing concern among progressives in america. no doubt about it. democratic senator ron wyden asked brennan, how can the united states target americans who have been denied due process? brennan's answer was consistent with the administration. >> any ame
brennan, is long gone. >> john brennan would not commit to additional disclosures, but he defended the legality of the program. >> the president has insisted that any actions we take will be legally grounded, will be thoroughly anchored in intelligence, will have the appropriate review process, approval process before any action is contemplated, including those actions that might involve the use of lethal force. >> to be fair, it sounds like the bush administration all over....
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andrea, just one last point on john brennan. because so much of what he i guess represents in politics is stuff that nobody else gets to discuss, stuff that is discussed in politics because so little is known about it, do you think there is a chance tomorrow that the hearings are essentially going to be a trial for the administration's drone policies and a trial for the administration's counterterrorism policies more than they are going to be a vetting of john brennan the man, john brennan the potential cia director? >> well you could argue that they are one in the same since he was the architect of it. but he will also be asked about enhanced interrogation, because he was a part of that. he is a veteran of the cia. a lot of people argue from inside the intelligence community that he is the perfect head of the cia because he is well respected and has, you know, a life-long career there. he is very close to the president. and you can really see the body language when the president was nominating him, just how close they are. this
andrea, just one last point on john brennan. because so much of what he i guess represents in politics is stuff that nobody else gets to discuss, stuff that is discussed in politics because so little is known about it, do you think there is a chance tomorrow that the hearings are essentially going to be a trial for the administration's drone policies and a trial for the administration's counterterrorism policies more than they are going to be a vetting of john brennan the man, john brennan the...
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brennan said less today than he has already acknowledged in public speeches. i was listening very closely. the whole hearing. the word "drones" never left his lips. the big questions raised by that white paper are what are the standards upon which americans who are suspected of being al qaeda leaders can be targeted for killings. what constitutes an imminent threat? who gets to decide whether the secret intelligence is sound enough and whether there is any review. presumably, the memo that president obama let senators read this morning would answer some of those questions. but the memo remains classified, so the senators couldn't even ask any questions about it. a number of them, senator wyden, senator feinstein, did press brennan to be more open, and perhaps his most memorable line, he said i want to optimize transparency, but at the same time, i want to optimize secrecy. tonight, brian, secrecy won out. >> government speaking for having it both ways. our national investigative correspondent, michael isikoff, who has led the way on reporting on this topic thi
brennan said less today than he has already acknowledged in public speeches. i was listening very closely. the whole hearing. the word "drones" never left his lips. the big questions raised by that white paper are what are the standards upon which americans who are suspected of being al qaeda leaders can be targeted for killings. what constitutes an imminent threat? who gets to decide whether the secret intelligence is sound enough and whether there is any review. presumably, the memo...
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brennan has been forthright on the issue of terrorism. he declined to define waterboarding as terrorism in the hearings. the administration has been very clear. leon panetta when he was head of the cia was clear that it is torture and the u.s. does not engage in torture. while there is a continuation of policies related to drones and targeted assassinations, i don't think that there is necessarily a continuation of or ttorture. >> well, the debate we are not having is what are the contours of this, and if we want to win hearts and minds to go back to a vietnam plauz, what are thrase, the contours of this? will it expand and come back to hit us in a strong way? >> as someone who knows the pro and con intell and we send people into the area to make people suspicious of each other, and killed people in a domestic sphere, aed on the know the ugliness and the nastiness of that and the ways in which have sat over and against any american notice that we are not the kind of country that does that, but to get on the other side of co-intel to say i
brennan has been forthright on the issue of terrorism. he declined to define waterboarding as terrorism in the hearings. the administration has been very clear. leon panetta when he was head of the cia was clear that it is torture and the u.s. does not engage in torture. while there is a continuation of policies related to drones and targeted assassinations, i don't think that there is necessarily a continuation of or ttorture. >> well, the debate we are not having is what are the...
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john brennan was once the deputy cia director. he is now president obama's counterterrorism director at the white house. but if he is to run the cia for president obama, john brennan is first going to have to face questions on thursday about some of what michael isikoff turned up here on this program last night. a justice department white paper elaborating the administration's reasoning for why it thinks it is legal to kill american citizens on the president's say so. or actually, on the say so of an informed high level official of the u.s. government. so maybe that's the president, but maybe that's somebody else. michael isikoff's scoop ended up at "the new york times" today and "the washington post" and "the hill" and slate and salon and ap to name a few. it was everywhere. and then at a press conference today, the attorney general was asked about it. >> last night nbc reported a white paper that was prepared by the justice department undated, unsigned about the legal -- the legal pinnacles for targeting americans overseas. coul
john brennan was once the deputy cia director. he is now president obama's counterterrorism director at the white house. but if he is to run the cia for president obama, john brennan is first going to have to face questions on thursday about some of what michael isikoff turned up here on this program last night. a justice department white paper elaborating the administration's reasoning for why it thinks it is legal to kill american citizens on the president's say so. or actually, on the say so...
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now as john brennan, the architect of the u.s. drone policy and president obama's mick to head the cia readies to testify this afternoon on capitol hill, calls for greater transparency and legal justification for the killings have increased. the outcry reached a crescendo on monday when nbc's michael isikoff obtained a leaked white pair from the government suggesting that the u.s. government can kill american set zenz overseas without any specific intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the u.s. the expansive legal framework set off alarm bells. >> every american has the right to know when their government believes it's allowed to kill them. i don't think that as one person said, that is too much to ask. >> the "new york times" wrote "it was disturbing to see the twisted logic of the administration's lawyers laid out in black and white. it brought back unwelcome memories of memos written for president george w. bush to justify illegal wiretapping, indefinite detention, kidnapping, abuse, and torture. "
now as john brennan, the architect of the u.s. drone policy and president obama's mick to head the cia readies to testify this afternoon on capitol hill, calls for greater transparency and legal justification for the killings have increased. the outcry reached a crescendo on monday when nbc's michael isikoff obtained a leaked white pair from the government suggesting that the u.s. government can kill american set zenz overseas without any specific intelligence indicating they are engaged in an...
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and they're expected to grill brennan about the subject on thursday when he appears before the senate intelligence committee at his confirmation hearing to be the next cia director. brian? >> michael isikoff who broke this story in our d.c. newsroom for us tonight. michael, thanks. >>> on the domestic front, ever since the housing crisis that started the meltdown of the u.s. economy, a lot of americans have been waiting to see who would be held accountable. who would pay a price for what was done to our economy? today, the justice department announced it's going after one player, the huge credit rating agency s&p. it's a big case that could result in a big fine, but some are also wondering if revenge isn't a motive here because the s&p, after all, lowered the u.s. credit rating after the fiscal cliff debacle. our report on all of it tonight from our justice correspondent pete williams. >> reporter: the justice department and a dozen states today accused the world's largest credit rating agency, standard & poor's, or s&p, of endorsing investments that it knew were shaky, playing a dire
and they're expected to grill brennan about the subject on thursday when he appears before the senate intelligence committee at his confirmation hearing to be the next cia director. brian? >> michael isikoff who broke this story in our d.c. newsroom for us tonight. michael, thanks. >>> on the domestic front, ever since the housing crisis that started the meltdown of the u.s. economy, a lot of americans have been waiting to see who would be held accountable. who would pay a price...
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brennan, that is your shop. do you have any knowledge about why senator graham's question was not to be answered? >> there is a longstanding tradition understanding of respecting the executive privilege that exists in the presidency in terms of what information is provided to the president or advice, counsel, to him. i would suspect that that question gets into this issue of the executive privilege which i think again has been a long standing tradition. >> are you sure that is the answer or do you think? >> i do not understand, because that will not be a request coming to me. >> i understand, so my direction to you, at what i ask you, is that you review that. we will get you the and notation, if necessary. secretary panetta told us it was detainee information that was key to them finding the courier and bin laden. were you briefed by any of the analysts who tracked down bin laden? >> before the operation? >> yes. >> yes, absolutely. >> is that the information given to you, that it came from interrogation of deta
brennan, that is your shop. do you have any knowledge about why senator graham's question was not to be answered? >> there is a longstanding tradition understanding of respecting the executive privilege that exists in the presidency in terms of what information is provided to the president or advice, counsel, to him. i would suspect that that question gets into this issue of the executive privilege which i think again has been a long standing tradition. >> are you sure that is the...
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brennan's answer. "i had segment concerns and personal objections to many elements of the eit, the enhanced interrogation tactics program while it was underway. i voiced those objections privately with colleagues at the agency. when i left the agency, i spoke publicly about those concerns. i strongly support the president's ban on such techniques." steve clemons, is he going to have a difficult time justifying that statement because he was part of those early years? what proof is there that he did push back against the bush administration techniques? >> i think proof is tough to say. he is saying he pushed back. the president is month -- is fonder of no one more than john brennan, so the president is putting his own credibility on the line with john brennan, and it's something that's supposed to be a badge of, you know, why we should trust this man, but it is tough for some democrats. i know senator mark udall and others have been days pointed in john brennan's lack of attentiveness to some of their co
brennan's answer. "i had segment concerns and personal objections to many elements of the eit, the enhanced interrogation tactics program while it was underway. i voiced those objections privately with colleagues at the agency. when i left the agency, i spoke publicly about those concerns. i strongly support the president's ban on such techniques." steve clemons, is he going to have a difficult time justifying that statement because he was part of those early years? what proof is...
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brennan. you have said publicly that you believe waterboarding is inconsistent with american values. it's something that should be prohibited, goes beyond the bounds of what a civilized society should employ. my question is this, in your opinion does waterboarding constitute torture? >> the attorney general has referred to waterboarding as torture. many people have referred to as torture. attorney general is the premiere law enforcement officer and lawyer of this country. as you well know and as we have had the discussion, senator, the term torture has a lot of legal and political implications. it is something that should have been banned long ago. it never should have taken place in my view. and, therefore, if i were to go to cia, it would never, in fact, be brought back. >> do you have a personal opinion as to whether waterboarding is torture? >> i have a personal opinion that waterboarding is reprehensible and is something that should not be done. i'm not a lawyer and i can't address that q
brennan. you have said publicly that you believe waterboarding is inconsistent with american values. it's something that should be prohibited, goes beyond the bounds of what a civilized society should employ. my question is this, in your opinion does waterboarding constitute torture? >> the attorney general has referred to waterboarding as torture. many people have referred to as torture. attorney general is the premiere law enforcement officer and lawyer of this country. as you well know...
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john brennan has worked first in the c.i.a. and then as counterterrorism advisor but he will face questioning about that from enhanced interrogation to drone controversy. chief correspondent says it may get rough. >> facing a backlash over the targeted killing program the white house insisted the nominee to head the c.i.a. is not in trouble. >> the president believes that the senate should and will confirm john brennan expeditious >> reporter: john brennan described as architect of the expanded drone campaign is now in the crosshairs of republicans democrats and mr. obama's traditional support others the left. >> it's a program that used very minimally by president bush. now there are over 3,000 civilians who have been killed in this program. >> on brennan's watch, anwar al-awlaki was the first american successfully targeted for death in september 2011. two weeks later his son was killed in a drone strike. >> i think it's fair to say, far fewer civilians lose their lives in an effort to go after senior leadership and al-qaeda a
john brennan has worked first in the c.i.a. and then as counterterrorism advisor but he will face questioning about that from enhanced interrogation to drone controversy. chief correspondent says it may get rough. >> facing a backlash over the targeted killing program the white house insisted the nominee to head the c.i.a. is not in trouble. >> the president believes that the senate should and will confirm john brennan expeditious >> reporter: john brennan described as...
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with laser-like focus to eliminate the cancerous tumor called an al qaeda terrorist. >> brennan will be facing other questions during the hearing including what he knew about enhanced interrogation, such as waterboarding when he served with the cia during the bush administration. another thing to come up, his acknowledgement he's been questioned by federal prosecutors investigating national security leaks under president obama. brennan told the senate intelligence committee in a written statement he's been told by his lawyer he's only a witness in those probes. savannah. >> michael isikoff, thank you, a member of the intelligence committee, has pressed the white house on its drone policy. senator, thank you for being with us. >> good morning. >> first question, are you satisfied after saying the president was practicing secret law and stonewalling, are you satisfied these memos are released to some members of congress? >> this is an encouraging first step. especially because it comes at a time when the lines have blurred between the military and the intelligence field and it's going
with laser-like focus to eliminate the cancerous tumor called an al qaeda terrorist. >> brennan will be facing other questions during the hearing including what he knew about enhanced interrogation, such as waterboarding when he served with the cia during the bush administration. another thing to come up, his acknowledgement he's been questioned by federal prosecutors investigating national security leaks under president obama. brennan told the senate intelligence committee in a written...
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i think john brennan has a lot of explaining to do as to exactly what he meant. >> brennan said in the clip that the government sought assurances from the other countries to which these individuals are rendered that human rights would be respected. the your report clearly indicates that near blanket assurances are insufficient to deal with the kind of abuse that occurred here. >> that is correct. maher arar was transferred after assurances from the country were not going to talk -- after assurances from the country that he would not be torture that was tortured nonetheless. i think there is a wealth of information in the public domain that shows these diplomatic assurances do not work. high-level bush a ministration officials themselves acknowledge there's only so much you can do it once prisoners are out of your custody. the onus is on the obama administration to explain what its policy is and how it will work. >> what do you think of john brennan as president obama is nominee? >> i think as many questions to answer. i think rendition is a documented in this report from a source of gr
i think john brennan has a lot of explaining to do as to exactly what he meant. >> brennan said in the clip that the government sought assurances from the other countries to which these individuals are rendered that human rights would be respected. the your report clearly indicates that near blanket assurances are insufficient to deal with the kind of abuse that occurred here. >> that is correct. maher arar was transferred after assurances from the country were not going to talk --...
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lou: should brennan be confirmed to the cia? >> i give great deference to the president's nominee, have not heard anything that disqualifies other than a hypocrite but that is the currency of this administration. lou: if not the city itself. [laughter] >> as opposed to our fair city. lou: not a matter of comparison that we would hope the nation's capital has a higher standard. >> i am not sure it does. john brennan i think is the president's choice and barring a revelation, revelation, yes, he probably will be confirmed. lou: thank you for being here. we will have much more on the leon panetta / benghazi testimony with a means for the security of the nation throughout the broadcast. >> targeting lawful gun owners and publishing names and addresses. we'll talk with somebody who knows the answer to that question next. more budget battles on capitol hill. where is the lou: in sharp swings in the market today and liz saunders joins us live from charles schwab joins us and says get used to the volatility. and then with the early trad
lou: should brennan be confirmed to the cia? >> i give great deference to the president's nominee, have not heard anything that disqualifies other than a hypocrite but that is the currency of this administration. lou: if not the city itself. [laughter] >> as opposed to our fair city. lou: not a matter of comparison that we would hope the nation's capital has a higher standard. >> i am not sure it does. john brennan i think is the president's choice and barring a revelation,...
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dianne feinstein who heads the intelligence committee says lawmakers should know what brennan knew and when he knew it. she released a statement saying it's critical for the committee's oversight function to fully understand the legal basis for all intelligence and counter-terrorism operations. >>> in a speech last summer, brennan said the use of drone strikes by the u.s. turned al qaeda into a shadow of what it once was. under president obama, the program has been used to take out more than 400 terrorist targets in pakistan and the middle east. >>> potential cuts in the defense department budget are already forcing changes in american military operations. the pentagon says it will reduce the naval presence in the persian gulf. plans for the uss harry truman carrier to head to the gulf this week have been canceled. that would leave one carrier in the region. defense secretary leon panetta warns under the cuts pentagon workers could face furloughs saying, this is not a game this is reality. >>> vice president joe biden made an emotional appeal to house democrats last night urging them t
dianne feinstein who heads the intelligence committee says lawmakers should know what brennan knew and when he knew it. she released a statement saying it's critical for the committee's oversight function to fully understand the legal basis for all intelligence and counter-terrorism operations. >>> in a speech last summer, brennan said the use of drone strikes by the u.s. turned al qaeda into a shadow of what it once was. under president obama, the program has been used to take out...
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brennan would then offer up a non-answer. then the or the almost no follow-up requests let's go to ron wyden's questioning of john brennan thursday. he is leading the push for the white house to explain its rationale for targeting u.s. citizens. >> let me ask you several other questions with respect to the president's authority to kill americans. i would ask you how much evidence the president needs to decide that a particular american can be lawfully killed and whether the administration believes that the president can use his authority inside the united states. my judgment, but the congress and the public need to understand the answers to these kind of fundamental questions. what do you think needs to be done to ensure that members of the public understand more about when the government thinks it is allowed to kill them, particularly with respect to those two issues, question of evidence and the authority to use this power within the united states? >> i have been a strong proponent of trying to be as open as possible with t
brennan would then offer up a non-answer. then the or the almost no follow-up requests let's go to ron wyden's questioning of john brennan thursday. he is leading the push for the white house to explain its rationale for targeting u.s. citizens. >> let me ask you several other questions with respect to the president's authority to kill americans. i would ask you how much evidence the president needs to decide that a particular american can be lawfully killed and whether the administration...
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brennan worked for the c.i.a. for 25 years before he went to the obama white house to be the chief counter terrorism advisor. in 2007 just after he left the c.i.a. he said the enhanced interrogation program had saved lives but when he got to the obama white house he said he had reservations about it all along and had expressed them to colleagues. i took talked to senator chambliss and he said a team that brennan was being political. when he got a political job he took the political line and he is worried the c.i.a. should be outside of politics. >> also with your interview with senator chambliss, pren in an says he we would prefer to detain people rather than kill them and all but one person has been detained the drone program has gone on like this. i thought what was telling in the past c.i.a. directors and particularly leon panetta have made clear they are not going re-litigated this issue with personnel of the c.i.a.. he embrace this had report and very troubling. >> chris: some people that followed, the senate
brennan worked for the c.i.a. for 25 years before he went to the obama white house to be the chief counter terrorism advisor. in 2007 just after he left the c.i.a. he said the enhanced interrogation program had saved lives but when he got to the obama white house he said he had reservations about it all along and had expressed them to colleagues. i took talked to senator chambliss and he said a team that brennan was being political. when he got a political job he took the political line and he...
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it's john brennan's turn on capitol hill. what will the nominee say? the policies for killing al qaeda operatives who are american citizens and the overall use of drone strikes in other countries. by the way, when is the senate going to vote on chuck hagel's nomination. delay is rarely a good thing. biden rallies house democrats and we will talk to one member who is part of that bunch leading the charge. 48 hours after joking about his weight with letterman, chris christie gets serious and tough when asked about what a former white house doctor had to say about him. there is something going on that has a lot to do with 2016. it's thursday, february seventh, 2013. it's t"the daily rundown." let's get to the first reads of the morning. you may be breaking off to hear from president obama at the prayer breakfast. let's start with the first read. after years of secrecy, president obama ordered the justice department to release a classified memo detailing the legal justification for killing americans considered terrorists to two congressional committees. th
it's john brennan's turn on capitol hill. what will the nominee say? the policies for killing al qaeda operatives who are american citizens and the overall use of drone strikes in other countries. by the way, when is the senate going to vote on chuck hagel's nomination. delay is rarely a good thing. biden rallies house democrats and we will talk to one member who is part of that bunch leading the charge. 48 hours after joking about his weight with letterman, chris christie gets serious and...